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I hope we can discuss this at length because I'd like to see what people here think about this. Ive discussed with others before but always offline.
Women, the perception of them and their roles in comics. They've come a long way but what was the game changing moment?
Some have said that it was Invisible Girl's transformation into Invisible Woman. More than a mere name change...she went from being meek, passive and subserviant, always using her power reflexive as a defense and forever the damsel in distress to being the deadly lioness protecting her family when she single handedly faced down and defeated Psycho-Man (and brutalizes him terribly ) using her power in a way never seen before. She changed, and she went from being "girl" to WOMAN. She also became established as the most powerfull member of the FF.
OTHERS point to Jean Grey becoming Phoenix II( pre 1986 retcon). Again, another girl who was viewed as the weakest of her team. shown to be meek, mild and passive and only used her power reflexive as defense and was easily overwhelmed. In a brave, selfless act to save her loved ones in space...she dies but is saved and transformed into Phoenix and becomes a "SUPER WOMAN". Her power is off the scale and suddenly she's battling heavy hitters like Firelord and Gladiator one on one among other things.
Their reasoning behind citing Jean/Phoenix II is that suddenly as chris claremont once said in an interview years later. Marvel and its readers always looked at the women in comics and expected "another Phoenix type" or wanted the girls to "be like Phoenix" in terms of being superpowerfull and ready to fight. Phoenix arguably opened the door for characters such as Dazzler, Ms. Marvel, Mystique (the first group) and more to come as the 70s came to an end and beyond.
Invisible Woman made her splash in '73 while Phoenix II burned it up starting in '76.
Wonder Woman has been around just about as long as both of these characters (before their major overhauls in the 70s). Did SHE have anything to do with the ground breaking changes seen with the way women were portrayed in comics from the 70s onward. Maybe she was the one who inspired the changes in Invisible Girl and Marvel Girl.
Women, the perception of them and their roles in comics. They've come a long way but what was the game changing moment?
Some have said that it was Invisible Girl's transformation into Invisible Woman. More than a mere name change...she went from being meek, passive and subserviant, always using her power reflexive as a defense and forever the damsel in distress to being the deadly lioness protecting her family when she single handedly faced down and defeated Psycho-Man (and brutalizes him terribly ) using her power in a way never seen before. She changed, and she went from being "girl" to WOMAN. She also became established as the most powerfull member of the FF.
OTHERS point to Jean Grey becoming Phoenix II( pre 1986 retcon). Again, another girl who was viewed as the weakest of her team. shown to be meek, mild and passive and only used her power reflexive as defense and was easily overwhelmed. In a brave, selfless act to save her loved ones in space...she dies but is saved and transformed into Phoenix and becomes a "SUPER WOMAN". Her power is off the scale and suddenly she's battling heavy hitters like Firelord and Gladiator one on one among other things.
Their reasoning behind citing Jean/Phoenix II is that suddenly as chris claremont once said in an interview years later. Marvel and its readers always looked at the women in comics and expected "another Phoenix type" or wanted the girls to "be like Phoenix" in terms of being superpowerfull and ready to fight. Phoenix arguably opened the door for characters such as Dazzler, Ms. Marvel, Mystique (the first group) and more to come as the 70s came to an end and beyond.
Invisible Woman made her splash in '73 while Phoenix II burned it up starting in '76.
Wonder Woman has been around just about as long as both of these characters (before their major overhauls in the 70s). Did SHE have anything to do with the ground breaking changes seen with the way women were portrayed in comics from the 70s onward. Maybe she was the one who inspired the changes in Invisible Girl and Marvel Girl.
