Secret Invasion Begins

[Karma]

Secret Invasion...

I am PISSED. Bendis could be on the verge of RUINING one of my most favorite CHARACTERS! It's ALL OVER the place.... "Do you trust Ms. Marvel? Is Ms. Marvel a SKRULL!?"

I HATE this man....he's ruining Marvel! Standby for one of the BIGGEST retcon effects in Marvel History as this "Skrull invasion" is supposed to reach back to the days BEFORE Carol was even a superhero.

 

[The Doctor]

Spellbinder wrote: I am PISSED. Bendis could be on the verge of RUINING one of my most favorite CHARACTERS! It's ALL OVER the place.... "Do you trust Ms. Marvel? Is Ms. Marvel a SKRULL!?"

I HATE this man....he's ruining Marvel! Standby for one of the BIGGEST retcon effects in Marvel History as this "Skrull invasion" is supposed to reach back to the days BEFORE Carol was even a superhero.

I don't even see how they are planning to implement it, The Skrull Empire is GONE. Wiped away by the Annihilation Wave. What is the point of taking over Earth when your Empire has been reduced to rubble? They have no Emperess, Hulkling has made it clear before that he wants nothing to do with being the Savior of the Skrull People, and if a majority of these people are Skrulls as Bendis is trying to convey to us...then WHERE in the Hell are the originals?

The Skrulls may have better technology but Ms. Marvel would already be out of imprisonment...a really, really long time ago. They would also have to explain why her Ex-Boyfriend/Son/Mortal Enemy: Marcus Immortus was not born a Skrull when he tried to become part of the real world and when did The Skrulls get their shape-shifting abilities back? Didn't The Celestials or Galactus take that away from them? No...this is not going to work. Bendis is working with a race that is now a moot point in the Marvel Universe and there are too many variables that have to worked with here.

They cannot tell me...that after all of this CRAP (Dissassembled, House of M, Decimation, Civil War and World War Hulk) that the Skrulls, whose Empire is gone and have no leader to fall back on, have been invading Earth since what? Silver Surfer #2? Now...Tony Stark I will still consider for being a Skrull since he started acting way too out of character when The Superhuman Registration Act turned into a full-blown conflict. No...People would have known...The Dreaming Celestial, The Uni-Power, The Phoenix Force, Thor...all of these individuals who are far beyond the ken of Mortal Men would have seen through the Skrull Infiltration and told somebody.

I am not going to stand for this. Both Quesada and Bendis have lost control of this monster they formed from the carcass of Marvel Entertainment...it needs to stop. Now. I want a real retcon to this mess. It needs to go away like a bad dream.

 

[Seer]

I don't even see how they are planning to implement it, The Skrull Empire is GONE. Wiped away by the Annihilation Wave. What is the point of taking over Earth when your Empire has been reduced to rubble? They have no Emperess, Hulkling has made it clear before that he wants nothing to do with being the Savior of the Skrull People, and if a majority of these people are Skrulls as Bendis is trying to convey to us...then WHERE in the Hell are the originals?

didnt the events in "apocolypse and the 12" SHOW the destruction of the skrull empire many moons ago?

The Skrulls may have better technology but Ms. Marvel would already be out of imprisonment...a really, really long time ago. They would also have to explain why her Ex-Boyfriend/Son/Mortal Enemy: Marcus Immortus was not born a Skrull when he tried to become part of the real world and when did The Skrulls get their shape-shifting abilities back? Didn't The Celestials or Galactus take that away from them? No...this is not going to work. Bendis is working with a race that is now a moot point in the Marvel Universe and there are too many variables that have to worked with here.

exactly. I thought it was Mr. Fantastic who took away their shape shifting ability with one of his devices and that only Paibok and Lyja had kept their powers?

They cannot tell me...that after all of this CRAP (Dissassembled, House of M, Decimation, Civil War and World War Hulk) that the Skrulls, whose Empire is gone and have no leader to fall back on, have been invading Earth since what? Silver Surfer #2?

havent we seen this premise before? again in Apocolypse & the 12, or the "i married a skrull" storyline in the FF back in the mid 90's etc. its not like this is something ORIGINAL and that's what makes it even WORSE. and all those storylines you mentioned? have been very upsetting to me...one of the reasons why i cant justify spending $3.00 a pop on an individual comic issue.

Now...Tony Stark I will still consider for being a Skrull since he started acting way too out of character when The Superhuman Registration Act turned into a full-blown conflict.

i've hated Tony Stark for a long time...Civil War reminded me WHY! LOL

No...People would have known...The Dreaming Celestial, The Uni-Power, The Phoenix Force, Thor...all of these individuals who are far beyond the ken of Mortal Men would have seen through the Skrull Infiltration and told somebody.

they had a picture of JEAN as a skrull too...if this is supposed to be reaching as far back as it's suggesting (since BEFORE Ms. Marvel was even a superhero for example) then that would mean that PHOENIX II was a SKRULL!? now how does THAT coincide with the "continuity" of Phoenix (II, III and IV) when you think about that dreaded 1986 retcon that says Phoenix II was not actually Jean Grey? that means that a SKRULL impersonated a cosmic being get the hell out of here LOL!


and what about Dr. Strange? or any other high ranking magick user such as Margali Zsardos, Magik , Selene etc...Selene PREDATES "modern man" so you mean to tell me SHE wouldnt have noticed a Skrull invasion? Dr. Strange is supposed to be the earth's mystical gate keeper (though Margali has handed him his ass so many times but i digress) and HE couldnt notice? so is HE a skrull too? I've never seen skrulls be able to replicate MAGICKAL powers.

I am not going to stand for this. Both Quesada and Bendis have lost control of this monster they formed from the carcass of Marvel Entertainment...it needs to stop. Now. I want a real retcon to this mess. It needs to go away like a bad dream.

when Bob Harras was the Editor In Chief, Marvel truly WAS on top. After Quesada took over...he let Bendis RUIN marvel the way Brad Kern let Alyssa Milano ruin Charmed But what can we do?? As a long time marvel reader, i'm TRULY pissed about this but NOT buying the books wont change anything WRITING doesnt either. (I actually wrote a letter after Phoenix Endsong and sent it off to Marvel expressing my OUTRAGE over the destruction of the Phoenix continuity)

 

[Black King]

the official line for this is that the few skrulls that survived Galactus eating their homeworld are pulling this invasion. Its part of some prophecy that earth is destined to be the new skrull homeworld. The switching time for all characters and how many skrulls there are is still unknown. the only people known for sure are skrulls, are Elektra and Black Bolt.

The facts of the story put forward it makes no sense, Disregards continuity and has a degree of plot induced stupidity for all the superheros that you have to imagine they all lose about 20 IQ point for the story to make sense.
I'm still wondering why Dr Strange owner of the The Eye of Agamotto aka "the all seeing eye which no deception can withstand" hasn't ended this invasion in 5 minutes.

 

[The Doctor]

Oracle wrote: and what about Dr. Strange? or any other high ranking magick user such as Margali Zsardos, Magik , Selene etc...Selene PREDATES "modern man" so you mean to tell me SHE wouldnt have noticed a Skrull invasion? Dr. Strange is supposed to be the earth's mystical gate keeper (though Margali has handed him his ass so many times but i digress) and HE couldnt notice? so is HE a skrull too? I've never seen skrulls be able to replicate MAGICKAL powers.

Oh, forgot Magical-based Heroes and Villains. Selene should have seen it coming as well as Doctor Strange, Mephisto, Blackheart, Shuma Gorath, Dormammu, those girls from the Marvel Series "Witches," and all of those beings should have seen through this as well. They cannot tell me that this has gone unnoticed through the eyes of the most powerful Sorceress' and Sorcerers in the Marvel Universe, a Renegade Celestial, Both of the embodiments of the Enigma and Phoenix Forces, Galactus (during his visits to Earth), several powerful Demons, a trio of girls...one who has been the guardian of Man-Thing and The Nexus of All Realities and a billion other beings who can see through something as weak as the Skrull shape-shifting ability.

And of my knowledge I have never seen the Skrull replicate Magick-based power. There was a case involving The X-Men going back to the day Galactus consumed the Skrull Homeworld and Kitty Pryde encountered three Skrulls who had permanently been stuck in their disguises as Captain Mar-Vell, Thunderbird (or whatever his name is...you know Nocturne's boyfriend or his brother?) and Adam Warlock so they did show the ability to replicate Cosmic and Mutant based powers (as well as a limited version of the Soul Gem) but I have never seen any Magical Skrulls...

Unless you count The Sisterhood of Dire Wraiths who are biologically connected to the Skrulls (I think) and are accomplished Magic Practitioners (Is that right? I can't remember...) but as for real Skrulls...never seen a Magical-based powered Skrull Individual.

Oracle wrote: they had a picture of JEAN as a skrull too...if this is supposed to be reaching as far back as it's suggesting (since BEFORE Ms. Marvel was even a superhero for example) then that would mean that PHOENIX II was a SKRULL!? now how does THAT coincide with the "continuity" of Phoenix (II, III and IV) when you think about that dreaded 1986 retcon that says Phoenix II was not actually Jean Grey? that means that a SKRULL impersonated a cosmic being get the hell out of here LOL!

Yeah...there is just too many things to retcon and it is going to fail miserably. I don't know why Marvel has not seen that this will end in disaster. Skrulls can impersonate lower level cosmics to a limited degree (like the aforementioned Captain Mar-Vell and Adam Warlock Skrulls) but actually impersonating the full force of the Phoenix is impossible. I swear to God if they start trying to convince me that The Dreaming Celestial is a Skrull too...I am gonna go Postal.

 

[Black King]

Prologue From Marvel.com
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20185202,00.html

A 10 page preview of Invasion
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20185202,00.html

Alright To list all the Skrulls known at this time:

Black Bolt - since unknown time

Elektra - - since unknown time

The Revolutionary - Revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1

One unknown Skrull (high ranking) in the Initiative - Revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1

Cobalt Man - Revealed in Captain Marvel #3

Spoiler

Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine/Dum Dum Dugan - since at least Captain America #25 - Revealed in Secret Invasion Prologue

Ms Marvel - at least one false one as revealed in her own Book

SI#1
Jarvis
Captain Marvel
Henry Pym

To Be Updated -

 

[The Doctor]

None of this is going to work...Black Bolt, a Skrull...honestly? Medusa is telepathic contact with him 24/7...how could she not know that he was a Skrull...plus wouldn't she...um...notice a subtle change in the way he acts during their...um...mating sessions? I hate Bendis and Quesada...but they will pay for their actions in due time...it is all a matter of allowing Nature to proceed on it's destructive course.

 

[Black King]

None of this is going to work...Black Bolt, a Skrull...honestly? Medusa is telepathic contact with him 24/7...how could she not know that he was a Skrull...plus wouldn't she...um...notice a subtle change in the way he acts during their...um...mating sessions? I hate Bendis and Quesada...but they will pay for their actions in due time...it is all a matter of allowing Nature to proceed on it's destructive course.

Quick note Medusa doesn't use telepathy to tell what Black Bolt is saying shes just really good at reading his body language from being with him for so long but yeah its the same diff.

 

[The Doctor]

Oh...that's odd...I could have sworn that she used Telepathy to talk with him...maybe I am thinking of Charles Xavier during The Illuminati Series whenever Black Bolt needed to say something and Charles would repeat the message for the others to hear. That's probably where I got it mixed up...but...I don't know it still sometimes seems like she is communicating through telepathy...strange. Maybe writers just forget that she can only read his body language and then think she can read his mind, thus causing confusion in several comics where it seems like she is telepathically communicating with him but then she is just reading his body language.

I hate when that happens...but what can you do? Some people *Bendis KOFF! KOFF! Quesada KOFF! KOFF!* just don't do their homework when it comes to these characters.

 

[Rampage]

My impression is that is is a combination of both. She reads him so well that it must be an empathic type of rapport. She is able to communicate in to complex terms for it to be simply body language. For this reason, as well as the power that he posseses and the fact that he was whole when the hUlk had pulped him indicate that BS is afoot. He was beaten to a COMA and should have reverted in that situatio alone. Additionally, the sensors on his ship were even more sophisticated than what was available on Earth. They are making this TOO cute for my taste...

 

[Black King]

its just doesn't make sense having Black Bolt as a skrull. We know he was a skrull after WWH cause of the events of Illuminati #5 but Silent War doesn't make sense if we assume Black Bolt is a skrull. Then theres the whole question of how a society of people with highly advances senses and numerous telepaths and individuals with senses beyond even the psychic or physical can't instantly tell a fake but also we're supose to believe hes been a skrull since right after the Kree/Skrull War (hinted by Bendis in Illuminati #1)

Also once might ask if Skrulls has all these super soldiers with 50 different powers then they can just take the world but hey what does common sense have to do with getting the big reading numbers I'm going to DC to check out Final Crisis

 

[Seer]

i think we were wondering if YOU were a skrull, considering how "ok" you seem to be with the carnage that Bendis has caused to the Avengers and its now spilling over to the rest of marvel.


although your latest post does give hope.

 

[Black King]

i think we were wondering if YOU were a skrull, considering how "ok" you seem to be with the carnage that Bendis has caused to the Avengers and its now spilling over to the rest of marvel.


although your latest post does give hope.

Just cause I'm pro-registration doesn't meant i don't have a soul
I have a Heart . . . . .








In a Jar . . . . .










Under my bed

 

[Rampage]

I think we agree. I am saying WWH alone should show he had to have been replaced rather recently as he was too badly beaten to keep up the facade...I have not read Illuminati #5 so i am not certain of the timing, but in him they picked the WORST possible candidate to replace. He simply is too powerful too be subdued indefinitely. And Karnak would sense something wrong immediately, as would Lockjaw and Medusa. This is CRAP.

 

[Black King]

editorially speaking hes the best candidate for a fast change. He doesn't speak, doesn't have thought bubbles. Its easy to change him without having to make any big alterations and its easier to handwave his motivtions changing to skrull agenda.

Oh and Illuminati 5 just has Stark showing the body (Elektra) to the Illuminati but it takes place after WWH (like a week or 2) so Black Bolt almost has to be skrull during WWH. Theres no way there was a quiet switch that fast.

As a matter of fact after Silent War (which is before WWH and After Civil War) he should be captured by Maximus and All the Inhumans should be under mind control including Medusa. He shouldn't have been out even to "greet" the Hulk especially with Medusa. During all of WWH that had to be a fake Black Bolt

 

[Rampage]

On the contrary, a greatly weakened Black Bolt after his beating from Hulk and the turmoil that accompanied WWH and its aftermath is a great switch opportunity, although you are probably right. That screws up what was a great beginning to a great story, and makes these Skrulls uber-powerful. Stark himself said that the power level experienced during that fight could only be matched by the Sentry.

 

[Black King]

Speaking of the blonde nutcase, I'm calling his wife as a Skrull. She was dead 5 minutes later shes back and asking Tony to find a way to depower or kill Sentry that way Skrully to me.

 

[Black King]

Spoilers

Adding to the Skrull list from Secret Invasion #1 and spoiling

Spoiler

Jarvis - upload computer virus to all world systems
Captain Marvel - Attacked Thunderbolt HQ
Henry Pym - blasted Reed Richards after he uncovered secret of undetectable shape-shifting
unknown visitor to the Baxter Building - trapped the building in the Negative Zone
Dum Dum - confirmed and destroyed SWORD space Station
and then theres this:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x6/Zeroman003/SI_1_DCP_044-45.jpg

 

[The Doctor]

I think I just figured out a partially missing link to this whole replace the heroes thing. Okay. In New Avengers Illumanati #2 Reed Richards divided the Infinity Gems amongst the members of the Illuminati. Black Bolt who we know now to be a Skrull was given the SPACE Gem. This particular Infinity Gem gives you control over being anywhere you want or sending someone where you want them to go at any place in Outer Space. Now...if The Black Bolt who was given that particular gem was the Skrull who revealed himself to Iron Man and the others then that would mean that at least to partially explain some of the dissapearances of the real Jarvis, Dum Dum Dugan, Elektra, and Hank Pym was the result of the Skrulls using the Space Gem to teleport their original targets away secretly and replace them without anyone knowing.

But that does not explain how they are still able to shape-shift, remain undetectable by Cosmic, Magical and highly Advanced Technological forces, or if they actually somehow suceeded in replicating the powers of people like The Phoenix and The Scarlet Witch. Because while The Space Gem is a handy dandy little tool...it's useless in comparison to other five gems because all it does is give people control of instaneous Space Travel.

Now...I don't think they are using it anymore considering that a Skrull attempted to kill Echo out in the open instead of them just teleporting her away while The Skrull took her place but they might have used it in the beginning to at least get some of their men and women into the fold by replacing the weaker super-humans and the affiliated normal humans so that they could get things started without their plan being discovered before hand.

But as I said this is only a theory and possibly a partial explanation. It does not explain the more important questions like...why in the hell Luke Cage ever decided to wear that God-awful uniform with the tiara and the afro. I mean I know it was back in the 70's but come on...no one in their right minds would wear something like that yellow open-chested shirt with the chain for a belt and the blue pants with the black boots and the silver Wonder Woman-inspired wristbands...unless HE WAS A SKRULL!!! OH MY GOD!!! I figured it out!!! Luke Cage is so totally a Skrull.

I mean he kept going on about the possibility that his wife was a Skrull and his baby was a "half-Skrull Skrull Baby" as Jessica Jones so "eloquently" put it and the possibility that Spidey was a Skrull too. But I know why he said those mean things...it's because he was doing it to cast suspicion on Jessica, Danielle and Spider-Man...oh and Doctor Strange too because Cage was all like "Maybe Doctor Strange is a Skrull and used his Skrull magic to throw us off his trail by making everyone believed they were who they said they were."

Cage is a Skrull...you mark my words...it'll be a Cold Day in Hell if it turns out he isn't because all signs point to "HELL YES! THAT MAN IS A SKRULL! LOCK HIM UP AND UNLEASH THE MINDLESS ONES!"

Oh...and I have a confession to make...I am Skrull. Yep. It's true. All of it. I orchestrated the whole plan to the Queen just before Galactus gobbled up my bachelor pad on the Homeworld. But...I am sorta having second thoughts...so I thought I'd tell you all now. Also...George Bush is a Skrull, Michael Jackson is a Skrull, The Nation of Japan is made entirely of Skrulls (What? Did actually think Humans could write Good Anime? PFAAHH! That is Skrull-written Anime right there, ALL OF IT) and George Lucas is a Skrull. There I said it. My paymasters are gonna kill me soon but it was worth telling the world about the true Skrulls!! I will die like I lived...which is to say they will probably off me in my sleep.

 

[Karma]

Oh...and I have a confession to make...I am Skrull. Yep. It's true. All of it. I orchestrated the whole plan to the Queen just before Galactus gobbled up my bachelor pad on the Homeworld. But...I am sorta having second thoughts...so I thought I'd tell you all now. Also...George Bush is a Skrull, Michael Jackson is a Skrull, The Nation of Japan is made entirely of Skrulls (What? Did actually think Humans could write Good Anime? PFAAHH! That is Skrull-written Anime right there, ALL OF IT) and George Lucas is a Skrull. There I said it. My paymasters are gonna kill me soon but it was worth telling the world about the true Skrulls!! I will die like I lived...which is to say they will probably off me in my sleep.

George Bush is a Skrull? how about the whole REPUBLICAN PARTY?

Michael Jackson is a Skrull? well honey he needs to shapeshift himself back to an attractive looking black man (preferrably the "off the wall" era) cause this pale faced alien/manequinn look he has going on now just AINT working LOL!

i too am curious to see just HOW they will explain PHOENIX being a skrull. we keep seeing her in all the covers and promos....and will it be Phoenix II or IV...if its Phoenix II then how the hell does that account for the Dark Phoenix Saga? Does that mean RACHEL is a Skrull too?

If the Scarlet Witch is a skrull maybe the whole M day thing will be retconned that she "stole" all the mutant powers from the people that were depowered and gave them to the Skrulls? i know it sounds contrived, but so does this whole damn Secret Invasion shit.

I know one thing....if Dazzler or Ms. Marvel are revealed to be skrulls...I'm DONE with Marvel.