Death to 'America'
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Harbinger
Keeper of Time
they even mentioned it on E! news recently. the last comic related tid bit that was mentioned like this on a highly watched entertainment program like that was when Spiderman "outed" himself during the civil war storyline.
but honestly, do we REALLY believe Cap is gonna stay dead forever? i mean look what happened with his partner Bucky ..oops excuse me "Winter Soldier" :: eyeroll::
but honestly, do we REALLY believe Cap is gonna stay dead forever? i mean look what happened with his partner Bucky ..oops excuse me "Winter Soldier" :: eyeroll::
I was pretty bummed. Cap was one of the titles I decided to subscribe to about a year ago - as an adult reader, getting into comics. He has more appeal to me now than when I was a little kid. Then they kill him off. Eesh. But yeah, this is the comics, right? Will Steve Rogers come back again in some form? Seems reasonable.
The post-Cap five stages of grief theme is...sort of clever. I like the idea of building an arc that way.
The post-Cap five stages of grief theme is...sort of clever. I like the idea of building an arc that way.
The Doctor
Keeper of Precepts
Well they mentioned that something is happening at the end of New Avengers #31 which will "change the Marvel Universe forever" (oh, that's original...). Perhaps they will ressurect Captain America and install him as leader of the N.A., but it's only a theory.
Karma
Heart Attack
honestly...they've killed magneto (several times) , xavier, storm, mr. sinister, madelynne...and most famously (to the pointe of nausea) Jean Grey /Phoenix II/Phoenix IV. now...if THOSE arent examples that paint a pretty clear history of what will happen with Cap...then i dont know what else is.
the ONLY person in Marvel Universe who has STAYED dead to DATE is DESTINY. and if ANYONE shouldve stuck around..it SHOULD have been her. there's no over population of bonafied precogs in MU.
the ONLY person in Marvel Universe who has STAYED dead to DATE is DESTINY. and if ANYONE shouldve stuck around..it SHOULD have been her. there's no over population of bonafied precogs in MU.
The comics seem to suggest that someone's gonna take up the shield, be the new Captain America. Speaking of dead people, was just reading the latest "Fallen Son".
Hawkeye shows up at the abandoned Avengers mansion. Has a talk with Iron Man about Cap...
willblade
Rising Star
The latest Fallen Son was good. Definately like how that played out, and how it leads to things in another Marvel title. With what I have seen in the comics all relating to this, i really don't think Steve will be brought back in any reasonable manner..if at all. If you want to know what i'm talking about, you just gotta read. 
The Doctor
Keeper of Precepts
I bet it'll turn out that he never died and instead has gone into hiding with Nick Fury and then when the Hulk comes back to kick some Iron Man ass he will come out of hiding to help the Hulk lead his group against all who wronged him.
A piece courtesy of wired...
Captain America returns somehow, sort of
By Adam Rogers October 11, 2007 | 9:25:04 PMCategories: Comics
Last March I posted a rant about Marvel Comics killing off Captain America. I tried to make the argument that it was somehow different than other comics deaths, that it was more craven. Since then lots of other characters I like have died (sometimes twice), and writer Ed Brubaker has done some lovely work with the post-death Captain America comic.
Today Marvel released a new design for Cap's costume, and said it'd debut in the January issue of the comic. No word on whether the man in the costume will be Steve Rogers, the original Captain, or someone else. Many nerds are betting on Cap's old, thought-to-be-dead sidekick Bucky, who's been slinking around in Brubaker's run as the Russian cyborg assassin code-named the Winter Soldier. Because that's how things go in comics.
Anyhoo, the art above is the new design, courtesy of superartist Alex Ross. He's famous for painted, photorealistic-style comic book art. Uses live models, etc. And I'll tell you, when I first read his book Marvels, I thought: That's what Spider-Man really looks like, for real, in real life.
Early response, like on the fun website Newsarama, from whence I took that image (though marvel.com must have it as well) centers on the expected it's cool/it sucks sort of thumbsucking, as well as on the gun and hunting knife. Cap traditionally used no weapons besides his shield and his super-soldier-vita-ray enhanced bod.
But here's a weirdness: Check out this design Ross did years ago.
They look sorta the same, no? I mean, obviously, different design motifs and colors, but...full mask, triangular design coming to the navel, and then black pants? Yes, I get that the triangle over Cap's pupik is supposed to evoke his original shield, which was not round but...er...shield-shaped. But still: samey samey, right?
I draw no conclusion from this. Artists re-use thematic elements all the time, and this Spidey never got used. Still, I can't help but feel that the new Cap-suit is a modernization nobody asked for (except Marvel, obviously), and one that'll be abandoned to nearly as great fanfare as it was adopted. See, for example, Spidey's black costume, Spidey's Iron Spider costume, and Spidey's black costume again.
I think I tried to say this back in March, but I don't really expect more from comics' big-gun, decades-lasting arcs like Cap. I'll read Y: The Last Man if I want a real third act (most amazing issue ever this month, by the way. Seriously: holy crap.). It's just that I feel so jerked around by DC and Marvel these days. I feel like they're doing things just to get me to...well, to write blog posts, I guess. They're looking for heat, for buzz. Maybe, maybe they're trying to tell stories with consequences, and that means stories where people die. But new costumes? Civil War? Infinite Final Crisis?
Here is my proposal: abandon continuity altogether. Get good writers and good artists, and let them tell tales about the famous heroes set at any point in their timeline, with any supporting characters they want. If Grant Morrison wants to go 12 issues of Superman where he's not married to Lois, good. An issue of Batman where he marries Catwoman? Fine. Do I really care whether Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men is "in continuity" or not? I do not. It's too good.
End continuity now!
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2007/10/captain-america.html
Captain America returns somehow, sort of
By Adam Rogers October 11, 2007 | 9:25:04 PMCategories: Comics
Last March I posted a rant about Marvel Comics killing off Captain America. I tried to make the argument that it was somehow different than other comics deaths, that it was more craven. Since then lots of other characters I like have died (sometimes twice), and writer Ed Brubaker has done some lovely work with the post-death Captain America comic.
Today Marvel released a new design for Cap's costume, and said it'd debut in the January issue of the comic. No word on whether the man in the costume will be Steve Rogers, the original Captain, or someone else. Many nerds are betting on Cap's old, thought-to-be-dead sidekick Bucky, who's been slinking around in Brubaker's run as the Russian cyborg assassin code-named the Winter Soldier. Because that's how things go in comics.
Anyhoo, the art above is the new design, courtesy of superartist Alex Ross. He's famous for painted, photorealistic-style comic book art. Uses live models, etc. And I'll tell you, when I first read his book Marvels, I thought: That's what Spider-Man really looks like, for real, in real life.
Early response, like on the fun website Newsarama, from whence I took that image (though marvel.com must have it as well) centers on the expected it's cool/it sucks sort of thumbsucking, as well as on the gun and hunting knife. Cap traditionally used no weapons besides his shield and his super-soldier-vita-ray enhanced bod.
But here's a weirdness: Check out this design Ross did years ago.
They look sorta the same, no? I mean, obviously, different design motifs and colors, but...full mask, triangular design coming to the navel, and then black pants? Yes, I get that the triangle over Cap's pupik is supposed to evoke his original shield, which was not round but...er...shield-shaped. But still: samey samey, right?
I draw no conclusion from this. Artists re-use thematic elements all the time, and this Spidey never got used. Still, I can't help but feel that the new Cap-suit is a modernization nobody asked for (except Marvel, obviously), and one that'll be abandoned to nearly as great fanfare as it was adopted. See, for example, Spidey's black costume, Spidey's Iron Spider costume, and Spidey's black costume again.
I think I tried to say this back in March, but I don't really expect more from comics' big-gun, decades-lasting arcs like Cap. I'll read Y: The Last Man if I want a real third act (most amazing issue ever this month, by the way. Seriously: holy crap.). It's just that I feel so jerked around by DC and Marvel these days. I feel like they're doing things just to get me to...well, to write blog posts, I guess. They're looking for heat, for buzz. Maybe, maybe they're trying to tell stories with consequences, and that means stories where people die. But new costumes? Civil War? Infinite Final Crisis?
Here is my proposal: abandon continuity altogether. Get good writers and good artists, and let them tell tales about the famous heroes set at any point in their timeline, with any supporting characters they want. If Grant Morrison wants to go 12 issues of Superman where he's not married to Lois, good. An issue of Batman where he marries Catwoman? Fine. Do I really care whether Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men is "in continuity" or not? I do not. It's too good.
End continuity now!
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2007/10/captain-america.html