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Just to keep everyone up to date on the Amy situation. We discussed the entire situation and her role in it. From the standpoint of the Boards as a whole and Amy's involvement in assisting Heather back to the boards, Amy will be suspended for a month. This is to give her the time to think over her actions but does allow her to return. If she does choose to return (there is always the possibility she could tell everyone to bite her big toe) she will be considered to be on a probation period and has been assigned a monitor to make sure its not an act to mess with the boards or cause problems for any members.

We also should look at the situation as a group from the GoW standpoint. Do we as a group feel that Amy was involved with planning to oust Riana? (Personally, my vote is yes she was, perhaps for different reasons than I believe, but I do think she was involved intentionally). If we come to a consensus that yes she was likely to have been involved, what should we do about it? I feel the situation is a very serious one, and in all honesty it pisses me off royally, but since I act as a Mod here, I have to look at the situation as it impacts the Game as a whole. Would banning her from the game affect GoW? Definately. While I might have issues with her behavior, I will be the first to say she is a good rpg'er and has proven to be an asset in the past and could easily be one in the future. On the other hand, I don't want to send the message that plotting against each other is acceptable. I think a punishment should be implemented against her, but not a permanent banning from the game. I would think that a demotion is called for at the very least. Does anyone know her current level? I would think that a demotion of 2 levels or demotion to level three (not any lower) would serve as being appropriate along with a gil fine. If anyone thinks these suggestions are overly harsh feel free to suggest others.

Okay, my part is ended and I turn over my soap box to anyone else wanting to have their say. ;)
 
As far as I know she's level 5 right now.. so a demotion to level 3 sounds okay to me, like Jay if have personal issues with her but I'm trying to keep an open mind here, since she has been banned from the board for the periode of 1 month we will she if she returns and then under probation.
 
Amy is a level 5 mutant ;) So demoting her 2 levels would make her level 3.

Ordinarily, I would say that Amy would not possibly have bene guilty of any of this. But looking at this I find it hard to believe that she wasn't involved:

AmarisyFuller: and she didn't take out the other ones Jay asked us to trim down
TrentHart: i dont know lol
AmarisyFuller: good lord she needs to stop doing everything herself lol
AmarisyFuller: heather had a nice bitchathon about her yesterday LOL i never knew heat was banned x.x
TrentHart: well sati asked me to ask her too lol
TrentHart: dont ask about that lol
AmarisyFuller: lol she wants us to pull ri out and put in sati lol TrentHart: ..... no comment
AmarisyFuller: lol you better come up with one
AmarisyFuller: she's gonna ask you about it lol
TrentHart: lol why?
AmarisyFuller: she was going to chat with farrah about it AmarisyFuller: and i suggested doing a phone meeting LOL TrentHart: .....
AmarisyFuller: it sounded fun in my head alright :p lol
TrentHart: lol well i just mean the removal .....
AmarisyFuller: oh, people complaining, nothing getting done etc. AmarisyFuller: dont see how the hell a beauty salon is going to help MOE, it sounds so stupid
TrentHart: it got people active
AmarisyFuller: it's up?
TrentHart: yes
TrentHart: its been up

I don't know. A demotion of a level or two would probably be the best solution.

OT: Trent, what did I ask you to ask who? "well sati asked me to ask her too lol"
 
You asked me to ask Riana to add the voting form to a post that was all.

Also, that is fine with me on the probation and demotion, it sounds very good and a good punishment
 
Well If I look at it from a playing standpoint.. If I was innocent, and then I come back to be on probation and demoted to Level 3, I wouldn't even want to come back to the game at all..

And plus I really dont think we should discuss this until Farrah has put some kind of input on it, as I dont think it should be in our hands to figure the punishment out, since most all of us don't know the entire story.

That's my two cents...

It's just these are the kinds of events that totally turn me off from coming here anymore.. I mean I have been through almost 4 of these situations and 2 board changes.. It's just frustrating..
 
Well If I look at it from a playing standpoint.. If I was innocent, and then I come back to be on probation and demoted to Level 3, I wouldn't even want to come back to the game at all..

I was thinking that : blush : If I was Amy, I wouldn't want to come back at all after that. But I didn't know what else to put forward to do *shrugs*

It's just these are the kinds of events that totally turn me off from coming here anymore.. I mean I have been through almost 4 of these situations and 2 board changes.. It's just frustrating..

Well, no. To make that looks like you're just trying to put MoE / GoW / the MoE staff down. Things like this happen EVERYWHERE. Trust ME, as an FGB guide, I have seen FAR worse things than this, and I've SOLVED far worse things than this. Events like the ones that have taken place this week are by no means unique to MoE. That seems like you're trying to put blame where there is none. If thats the case then you don't belong in any good vs evil RPGs... as harsh as that sounds.
 
alot of things degenerated while i was gone. unfortunately i had neither the energy nor the time to come here and root out the problems.

its clear to ME that Amy has been very unpleasant and caused extreme dischord with those that i left in charge of the game in my absence and anyone who knows me knows that i dont promote or tolerate dischord among the staff, why do you think i fired Persephone and Alessandra? I havent experienced Amy's bad behavior myself but ive heard about it more than once and seen evidence of it from PMs that were forwarded to me.

Amy will be suspended until she talks to ME..one on one at which time i will demand honest answers or she can forget about returning to this game. as far as demotions and such...i try to reserve those for specific circumstances..usually a person who breaks rules and causes trouble in the open forums of the game or does not show for training etc....but it troubles me greatly that Riana, one of the most easy going people ive KNOWN since begining this game, has now become so agitated, and feels betrayed......she reminds me of how I felt when i was being mistreated by Val, Alch, Suspiria and co. and then later when Sam, Ally , Inferno, Rich and the others started in on me as well...... when I needed someone(in terms of an admin or leader) to step in and help me i was hard pressed to find that help... Im not going to have anyone being mistreated or verbally abused in a game that I oversee..its just not acceptable and because of this....I will inform Amy of the demotion myself...and explain to her why this is happening

On the next issue , the people involved with Heathers "return" KNOW that they are in the wrong and Heather knows it herself. This is about a balatant violation of Kristin's and the Tru Calling staff's descision NOT to have her back after her official banning due to her spamming, tampering with accounts and verbal abuse etc. She broke the rules, and she was given her consequences...end of story. I support Kristin's descision and HEATHER knows that herself. I did not endorse this cover activity in anyway and i WARNED heather that if she tried anything like this.....i would NOT be able to help her in the aftermath.

Lexi has been spoken to by me already....she knows she was wrong for what she did and she apologized to me. She made a mistake....and thats something we ALL are guilty of both on and offline. The matter of Lexi is for ME to handle....after i talk privately with Jay and Irene and Kristin once more so i do not want her brought up here anymore.

Clearly the game needed a time out......Jay and Irene were doing all they could with little help, and the fact of the matter is, Enchantrah and Brandon really did NOT come through for me like i had hoped. I realize you both have school and other offline activities ....and I of ALL people understand that offline life takes precedence over the game BUT if you were bored with this game or felt like it was flatlining, then you shouldve come to HELP restore it...not abandon it for other boards or projects and expect me NOT to hear or notice that. Ive been told MORE than once how the two of you have been missing in action without so much as a word....and being that i was ill, i was not able to find out what was going on with you two but im gonna lay it out for you like this: this game is about to be redone again from top to bottom. it will take time but we now have it because the game is closed......ANYONE who wants to resign is free to do so now. Anyone who wants to stay.......you BETTER start helping out because ONE or TWO people cant pull this off on their own. We have MoE as WELL as GoL to worry about..and its time I found people who are willing and have a desire to help me make this game great again. we've been going strong now for over a year......thers no reason we cant revive. so now is the time to make your choice...........IN or OUT i will not look down on you for whatever you decide. in fact if you DO want to go, i will respect you for being honest enough to say so. DONT be like Sam and Ally and want to hold on to a "position" just because of the perks it offers.....
 
Tnx for this post hun, I'm as you said a very easy going person and very open minded but this has pushed me over the edge.. i'm being judged on by people who don't even know me, calling me a ***** and a slacker, saying that i'm arrogant and even making it sound like I want to take over GoW... this makes me really angry and sad at the same time.

I love GoW more then anything it's very important to me and that has always been that way even when I was just a level 1.

As for people saying I'm making descions on my own, believe me I'm not everything that has been done sofar and will be done in the future is being discused between a few people in this forum.. like Farrah said I'm very easy going but don't push me too far.. cause even easy going people have their boundries.
 
I am glad that Farrah posted and I think it is up to her to decide what to do. As you know already Farrah I am in and ready to do anything to help so ya'll can count me in to help.
 
Originally posted by Storm
I am glad that Farrah posted and I think it is up to her to decide what to do. As you know already Farrah I am in and ready to do anything to help so ya'll can count me in to help.

Me too. ;) Its good to see you posted Farrah.

I know I'm not upper-upper staff so there is a limit on how much I can do, but whatever you need, I'm here just as Trent is.
 
I know the both of you will be there and I'm very glad you are :)

We will have a lot to do in the next upcoming weeks so keep your eyes open for that ;)
 
Originally posted by Darkchilde
alot of things degenerated while i was gone. unfortunately i had neither the energy nor the time to come here and root out the problems.

its clear to ME that Amy has been very unpleasant and caused extreme dischord with those that i left in charge of the game in my absence and anyone who knows me knows that i dont promote or tolerate dischord among the staff, why do you think i fired Persephone and Alessandra? I havent experienced Amy's bad behavior myself but ive heard about it more than once and seen evidence of it from PMs that were forwarded to me.

Amy will be suspended until she talks to ME..one on one at which time i will demand honest answers or she can forget about returning to this game. as far as demotions and such...i try to reserve those for specific circumstances..usually a person who breaks rules and causes trouble in the open forums of the game or does not show for training etc....but it troubles me greatly that Riana, one of the most easy going people ive KNOWN since begining this game, has now become so agitated, and feels betrayed......she reminds me of how I felt when i was being mistreated by Val, Alch, Suspiria and co. and then later when Sam, Ally , Inferno, Rich and the others started in on me as well...... when I needed someone(in terms of an admin or leader) to step in and help me i was hard pressed to find that help... Im not going to have anyone being mistreated or verbally abused in a game that I oversee..its just not acceptable and because of this....I will inform Amy of the demotion myself...and explain to her why this is happening

On the next issue , the people involved with Heathers "return" KNOW that they are in the wrong and Heather knows it herself. This is about a balatant violation of Kristin's and the Tru Calling staff's descision NOT to have her back after her official banning due to her spamming, tampering with accounts and verbal abuse etc. She broke the rules, and she was given her consequences...end of story. I support Kristin's descision and HEATHER knows that herself. I did not endorse this cover activity in anyway and i WARNED heather that if she tried anything like this.....i would NOT be able to help her in the aftermath.

Lexi has been spoken to by me already....she knows she was wrong for what she did and she apologized to me. She made a mistake....and thats something we ALL are guilty of both on and offline. The matter of Lexi is for ME to handle....after i talk privately with Jay and Irene and Kristin once more so i do not want her brought up here anymore.

Clearly the game needed a time out......Jay and Irene were doing all they could with little help, and the fact of the matter is, Enchantrah and Brandon really did NOT come through for me like i had hoped. I realize you both have school and other offline activities ....and I of ALL people understand that offline life takes precedence over the game BUT if you were bored with this game or felt like it was flatlining, then you shouldve come to HELP restore it...not abandon it for other boards or projects and expect me NOT to hear or notice that. Ive been told MORE than once how the two of you have been missing in action without so much as a word....and being that i was ill, i was not able to find out what was going on with you two but im gonna lay it out for you like this: this game is about to be redone again from top to bottom. it will take time but we now have it because the game is closed......ANYONE who wants to resign is free to do so now. Anyone who wants to stay.......you BETTER start helping out because ONE or TWO people cant pull this off on their own. We have MoE as WELL as GoL to worry about..and its time I found people who are willing and have a desire to help me make this game great again. we've been going strong now for over a year......thers no reason we cant revive. so now is the time to make your choice...........IN or OUT i will not look down on you for whatever you decide. in fact if you DO want to go, i will respect you for being honest enough to say so. DONT be like Sam and Ally and want to hold on to a "position" just because of the perks it offers.....

I completely understand where you are coming from Farrah, and I want to continue to be a part of the staff, as I have been since nearly the beginning.. I have done too much and put in way too many hours to just say "Whatever" now, but I have to delegate responsibilities accordingly, and nobody knows what goes on in neither myself nor Meghann's life, yes that sounds SO Alessandra but that is really how it is..

My entire family system has been shaken up over a span of the past year, and since then my entire life has been in a whirlwind.

The people that were my model image of a perfect family (Meg's parents) got a divorce, and that completely shattered me.. Everything is turned upside down, nobody acts the same, we have to be on our guard because we never know what is going to happen day by day. I mean Meghann doesn't know if the next day, she will be taken away from her Mom and put in protective services due to a harsh custody battle..

My mother just got married to a great guy, the only problem is that he lives in New York, and my mom is staying here to be with me during my Senior Year, and I just feel like I am holding her back, but she insists that I am not...

Not only that but my Sister moved to New York because she doesn't like California, so now half of my family is separated all because I am in highschool in California, and my mom knows that I really want to be here...

There is 3 computers in the house, that have internet access, two of which are used constantly by Meghann's mother and her boyfriend who play an online game, LITERALLY 24 hrs. a day. Time is limited.. We dont always have access.

Not to mention I am in the last year of highschool and I am not burning out just because I am a Senior. I am an honor student and I NEED to study. I can't help that.. My schooling and education comes first.

Then when the one computer IS free, it gets three viruses and tons of spyware shit that we couldn't get off of the computer, so basically we could only go online when Meghann's mom and her boyfriend weren't on, which was scarce. I could only go on 5th period at school, which I felt I needed to devote to X-Evolution, because the game was just starting out and didn't have an established staff like GoW does.

My mom wants me to live in New York with her after highschool, I want to stay in California, so there is drama there. If stay in California I have nobody, how am I going to pay for anything? All of these are stresses.

I just quit my job a month ago, and am stressing about getting a new job.

There is tons of drama everyday in our lives because of the divorce, and because we are all at a Crossroads in our lives and our biding our time until it is over..

So when I log on and all I see is MORE drama, it completely turns me off.. It just makes it less fun for me..

I am not putting blame on anyone, my feelings don't blame anyone, that is just what I am saying...

Masters of Evil is where I met a LOT of good friends and I personally don't want to leave, but I try my best, and sometimes obviously none of you feel it is good enough, but mind you all the people..

So, I am sorry if it seems I can't put my full time into the Masters of Evil, but sometimes I can't, everything seemed to be running completely smooth to me..

I don't like feeling like I don't do anything, because I haven't been here in awhile, but I all the while I have been gone, I was thinking of new MoE Species, New Competitions, etc. and then I come back to me not putting in enough effort..

I am sorry but I am trying the best I can! It's just a little tough at the moment!
 
Brandon,

clearly your being more than reflexive/defensive in your response. Im not coming down on you, but fact is fact....you HAVENT been here for whatever reason. and while i wouldnt expect anyone here to forsake their personal lives or wellbeing for this game, i DO expect that you would contact someone and express that you cant be here for "whatever reason" you wish to define and for how long.

many people are saying "i wasnt here because the game got boring" well.......DUH, it takes more than one or two people to keep a game going.....and if everyone left when it no longer suited them then what is the point of wanting to be staff? I had to step down because i was SICK as hell....and i couldnt even get out of bed at one point. Riana and Jay really had my back on this one...as did Trent and Sati. Titania had already told me BEFORE i got sick that she was going to be weighed down with school and i expected the same thing would apply to you......but Brandon..i know youve been on other boards...and doing way more there than you have here. where you go is your choice but if your going to be on staff HERE, you need to do your part and its just that simple.

I dont want you to feel pressured to do anything you havent the time for or the desire to continue. I also dont want you thinking that the "staff" here feels you arent doing your job......you have been one of the best staff members ive had up to the present.....and youve done MANY things to help this game move along as well as it has BUT i cannot always cite your past works when making descisions or demanding an explanation from you about your neglecting your duties as a trainer, GoW Mod and helping to keep MoE running smoothly. Its not just YOU that ill be addressing either Brandon. IM doing this privately within the war room........and its not going outside of this place...but we need to just be real about all this.

The game is down right now and its staying that way until first and foremost..the staff changes are put into effect.

It sounds like to ME you need some time away. No body is suggesting you leave the game permanently........and if you do NOT remain on staff of GoW you will still retain all your character's powers, stats and privilages. but right now, im giving you the chance to think about it while we are taking a collective break. any FURTHER discussion will come from me to you in a PRIVATE message.
 
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