I don't have a problem with that song lol - except the "What rhymes with 'hug me'" part is just dumb lol
The Problem With Wonder Woman...
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Karma
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I watched the uncensored video & i listened to the lyrics... among other things "domesticate" "the man is your maker" & a woman being described as a "bitch" in several versus. yeah...THOSE things REALLY gel well w/ the idea of WW & the amazons! :haha:
Rampage
I am a fucking god.
He actually says that the OTHER guy tries to domesticate her and then tells her that he is not her maker...sounds liberating to me. He even offers to liberate her.
And he says the lines are blurred because SHE grabbed HIM.
The woman is completely in control the entire song. And he calls her the hottest bitch in this place, hardly an insult and something I guarantee he picked up from his own wife as they rolled out.
And yeah, the part with 'rhymes with hug me' is total camp...agreed there.
And the video is all show and shock value, and it worked. But nudity is hardly misogyny.
Finally, the fact that THAT song is decried by feminists says all I need to say. No way you get a tall, tig bittied, leggy, half-naked woman complete with a bondage rope and bracelets on-screen without some hell being raised if we cannot have a silly song go past without tut-tutting about 'rape culture'.
And he says the lines are blurred because SHE grabbed HIM.
The woman is completely in control the entire song. And he calls her the hottest bitch in this place, hardly an insult and something I guarantee he picked up from his own wife as they rolled out.
And yeah, the part with 'rhymes with hug me' is total camp...agreed there.
And the video is all show and shock value, and it worked. But nudity is hardly misogyny.
Finally, the fact that THAT song is decried by feminists says all I need to say. No way you get a tall, tig bittied, leggy, half-naked woman complete with a bondage rope and bracelets on-screen without some hell being raised if we cannot have a silly song go past without tut-tutting about 'rape culture'.
Clara Oswald
That's how I read the lyrics too
Karma
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ohh it's so not the same thing! & you know it, dear garrick! LC may have showed "T&A" in the WW costume, but the show wasn't about her being a sex object. She said that herself in an interview. the reason why ppl could take WW seriously DESPITE her looks & that costume was b/c the character displayed qualities that were genuine.
& what was the biggest turning point for the amazons? BREAKING FREE of the bondage they'd been subjected to by heracles & his men.
& what was the biggest turning point for the amazons? BREAKING FREE of the bondage they'd been subjected to by heracles & his men.
Yeah, I think people just overreacted to "Blurred Lines" kind of like how men were all in a tizzy when Destiny's Child released "Jumpin' Jumpin'" because of the line "All You Ladies Leave Your Man At Home..." even though the next line said for the men to leave their girls home too lol.. People love to jump on a bandwagon blindly lol.
And I agree.. WONDER WOMAN is a feminist ICON! SOOOO Many people love her and have taken her on as their personal ICON of womanhood and strength, so this movie is critically important for a LOT of people.
And I agree.. WONDER WOMAN is a feminist ICON! SOOOO Many people love her and have taken her on as their personal ICON of womanhood and strength, so this movie is critically important for a LOT of people.
Rampage
I am a fucking god.
I do not disagree that WW is a feminist icon in many ways, especially the LC version.
But she is also (and has been) the ultimate object of womanly bondage as well. And even though LC was liberated in her showing of WW, not everyone saw it that way. She made a lot of boys into men LOL!!!
But look at us. We are unable to agree on what WW should be and mean and we are all friends!!!
I hope it happens. I think that Gina Carano is the right woman at the right time to BE her and that a solid cast of actors can carry and elevate her. I even think she could pull off a version of the original costume. But I know that the guys in charge are worried about what backlash could be out there. They HAVE to be.
But she is also (and has been) the ultimate object of womanly bondage as well. And even though LC was liberated in her showing of WW, not everyone saw it that way. She made a lot of boys into men LOL!!!
But look at us. We are unable to agree on what WW should be and mean and we are all friends!!!
I hope it happens. I think that Gina Carano is the right woman at the right time to BE her and that a solid cast of actors can carry and elevate her. I even think she could pull off a version of the original costume. But I know that the guys in charge are worried about what backlash could be out there. They HAVE to be.
DonDaddyD
::Gesturing ala Nas::
Personally, I think that in these modern times people, directors, fans, actors and writers should stop worrying about how best to portray a female lead protagonist and just get on with it.
I look at films like Man of Steel and with the collateral damage I can't think of something so unlike Superman, but I accepted that it was a Superman film, enjoyed it and it made millions x100.
On the subject of Wonder Woman being a sex symbol, she's a woman, an Amazon who wears knickers, a corset, knee highs and bracelts. Like the comics, she hould be attractive: men are going to think sex and teenage boys are going to fap. And that should be the case.
Whether the film delves deep into feminity and the strength within it, breaking free of bondage, the glass ceiling women face at work or out right misogyny will be down to the story. None of these things I think should be avoided or deemed too taboo for film because they are subjects that Wonder Woman (and other female protagonists) have addresses in numerous other forms of text (comics, games, books, TV programs etc) and as a global society aren't we shouldn't shirk at these very real issues. Denial is a terrible thing.
Alternatively, the film could literally be a popcorn flick full of action and a butt kicking heroine wearing knickers, a corset, knee highs and bracelts. - Though I think that approach would be more damaging without a deeper social element to it.
But bottom line, for me, whatever the makers of the film go for they for. As long as the story is tight, dialog, acting and portrayal of the character is on point and doesn't betray the character as we understand her then I'd be happy watching it. The alternaitve is that nothing gets done as the uncomfortable issues are discussed and debated and we continue to go years without a female lead in a Superhero movie, which IMO is far more damaging.
I look at films like Man of Steel and with the collateral damage I can't think of something so unlike Superman, but I accepted that it was a Superman film, enjoyed it and it made millions x100.
On the subject of Wonder Woman being a sex symbol, she's a woman, an Amazon who wears knickers, a corset, knee highs and bracelts. Like the comics, she hould be attractive: men are going to think sex and teenage boys are going to fap. And that should be the case.
Whether the film delves deep into feminity and the strength within it, breaking free of bondage, the glass ceiling women face at work or out right misogyny will be down to the story. None of these things I think should be avoided or deemed too taboo for film because they are subjects that Wonder Woman (and other female protagonists) have addresses in numerous other forms of text (comics, games, books, TV programs etc) and as a global society aren't we shouldn't shirk at these very real issues. Denial is a terrible thing.
Alternatively, the film could literally be a popcorn flick full of action and a butt kicking heroine wearing knickers, a corset, knee highs and bracelts. - Though I think that approach would be more damaging without a deeper social element to it.
But bottom line, for me, whatever the makers of the film go for they for. As long as the story is tight, dialog, acting and portrayal of the character is on point and doesn't betray the character as we understand her then I'd be happy watching it. The alternaitve is that nothing gets done as the uncomfortable issues are discussed and debated and we continue to go years without a female lead in a Superhero movie, which IMO is far more damaging.