Nappy Headed Ho’s

Osiris

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I hate to say I told you so, but just a little over a month ago, I did a post about Mr. Don Imus the last time he put his foot in his mouth. Then, the commentary was about Sen. Barack Obama, calling his name a “Jew hating name” among other things. Well, it looks like Imus couldn’t help himself because on April 4th on his “Imus in the Morning” Show, he made more “colorful” comments, that this time, may be his last, though I doubt it… I know many of you have already heard about the comments he called the Rutgers women’s basketball team. I don’t know for sure where the “nappy headed ho’s” comments came from in his mind, but I have my ideas.
Then, the usual players showed up, we know them as the Rev’s Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who are both calling for Imus’s firing. Sharpton had Imus on his radio show today and of course Imus apologized, and Jackson is planning/planned protests outside of NBC. Now for more details, there are a myriad of blogs and sites out there that will fill in the blanks.
What I want to talk about is the obvious foolishness that people (at least major media outlets) aren’t talking about. Granted, this isn’t the first time Imus put his foot in his mouth about blacks and it probably won’t be his last. We can do all the psycho analysis as to why Imus felt the way he did, whether or not it was a joke that went bad, etc. etc. etc.
But what I want to talk about is why is it that calling black women ho’s in general can even be considered a joke. Unlike many blacks, I don’t fault Imus that much. Yes, he was an idiot and possibly a bigot, who knows? What’s making me sick to my stomach though, is the two Rev’s, whom I actually have a great deal of respect for. True to form, they jumped on this Imus situation like white on rice, maybe it’s warranted, maybe it’s not. However, what I’m waiting to see is black people getting up in arms about black women and women in general being called ho’s in music, on TV, etc.
I don’t know, but it seems to me that these black leaders find it easier to protest against white people who say these things but not black people. I mean, why stop at Imus and people like Limbaugh, Newt, etc. (yes, I threw them into this)? Why stop there? Why not protest these hip-hop artists? But more specifically, the industry that promotes and helps create the music that does more damage to black women and women in general, than anything Don Imus could say.
Everyday, on TV women are displayed as pieces of meat, half naked and more, with gyrating, etc. They are actually being called Bitches and Ho’s on cable TV, on the radio, etc. While the two Rev’s have addressed this many times and are taking on the N-word, I have yet to see as much zeal on getting the heads of the Music industries fired. I haven’t heard of any protests against MTV, “BET”, etc. What about the cable companies that broadcasts the stations in their lineup?
Oh this thing is way bigger than Don Imus. In order for Imus to even think that joking about black women as nappy headed ho’s as opposed to I guess their straight haired white teammates, exposes the larger issue at hand: If we as black people don’t have a problem denigrating our women, why should we expect others to do something different? You can judge a people by how they treat their women, is what I was taught in my days in the NOI, so what does that say about black people in America? I mean since we don’t have no problem having our women naked in public shaking their behinds, since we don’t have any problem calling our women ho’s, since we don’t have any problem treating our women as nothing more than objects of lust, who are we to get mad when a non-black uses the same language in a “joke” to refer to our women, that we do in all seriousness?
Should Imus be fired? Maybe, I’m not sure. Either way, I would much rather have Rev’s Sharpton and Jackson use the media and their names better than to make headlines with this. I’m waiting for Jackson to threaten to protest outside of BET, MTV, Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Def Jam, etc. etc. I would much rather have us black people use our zeal to get whitey yet again and turn it inward just once. Let’s go after these clowns that promote genocide in the urban areas as “gangsta”, selling poison, prostituting our women, and killing our youth, let’s go after the circus that employs and encourages these clowns, and lastly let’s go after ourselves because change begins not with “we” but with “me”.
 
Imus is a scumbag and everyone knows it lol

Just playing devil's advocate, if Imus should be fired for his comments (which I personally think he should, but whatever) when someone like Tim Hardaway (wasn't it Tim Hardaway? anyway, someone like that) makes comments about gays, should they also be fired for it?

I would much rather have Rev’s Sharpton and Jackson use the media and their names better than to make headlines with this. I’m waiting for Jackson to threaten to protest outside of BET, MTV, Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Def Jam, etc. etc. I would much rather have us black people use our zeal to get whitey yet again and turn it inward just once. Let’s go after these clowns that promote genocide in the urban areas as “gangsta”, selling poison, prostituting our women, and killing our youth, let’s go after the circus that employs and encourages these clowns, and lastly let’s go after ourselves because change begins not with “we” but with “me”.

Awesome statement Osiris :)
 
Imus needs to be fired at once. this whole circus around these remarks just prooves that racism is more COVERT now...FAR from "dead".

Tim Hardaway, wasnt he ALREADY a "has been" by the time he made those remarks? hell just listening to his VOICE and that lisp made me think HE was probably gay himself :rolleyes:
 
lol probably he is lol

I'm just wondering kind of what the line is - the person involved is not really important. :)
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and disagree. Personally, I don't think the guy should be fired. He's been on the radio for years. However, that does NOT excuse his rude and obnoxious comments. But, everyone can and does make a mistake. Now, I'm not trying to make excuses for the guy either. What he said was wrong, we all agree there. But to fire him for some obnoxious comment? I remember one time a female DJ was playing an Aaliyah song and her comment was "What is this play dead artists music?" The DJ was white and a woman and I was appalled at what she said, I couldn't believe it! It was just MONTHS after Aaliyah had been killed. That same woman is on the air, but I didn't think she should be fired. I thought she should be suspended. Granted, I know the two situations are NOT the same. My point is she's still on the air after her comment.

But, let's reverse this and say Imus was an African American instead of a Caucasian. Pretend he said something obnoxious about Caucasian's. Who would be protesting that? In my opinion, probably not too many. Personally, I wouldn't care lol, a lot of people say or do idiotic things, look at Mel Gibson or other celebrities. I think that firing him over a comment is going a little overboard and protesting? For what? It seems like whenever something happens with an African American, the two Reverend's jump in. To be honest, I get so sick of them crying "racist" when clearly Osiris makes a valid point on what they SHOULD be protesting to. Why should they deplete their energy when there are much larger atrocities.

If the guy made a gay comment, I would think he's pompous but that's life. I wouldn't be crying the guy was homophobic. Why would I care? Plenty of people have opinions and plenty of people put their foot in their mouth. I think the guy showed some sort of sorrow when he apologized. Now, like I said, that doesn't excuse what he did. But everyone is getting upset over the word 'ho' when its EVERYWHERE in the media lol. This to me does not make sense.
 
"free speech" doesnt mean you can say WHATEVER you want....or that you can purvey racist, bigoted remarks over radio/tv.

someone made an argument similar (sort of) to yours on Fox News tonight and it was a famous black comedian (cant remember his name) but he also went on to say that "today its don imus, tomorrow itll be hip hop". he was saying that for every don imus, there's a richard pryor or some other equally cantankerous black person that has (or will) do something similar and yet THEY never come under scrutiny and there lies the double standard and in THAT much i agree with him. it should be equal accountability on both sides but that still doesnt negate the need to deal with don imus, who (as of today) was FIRED by CBS.
 
ZDespite the fact that he was fired, I wonder if the network would have kept him. I think the REAL reason they fired him is because most if not all of the sponsors were backing out. I think they probably would have kept him despite all of the protests and the like.
 
What Imus said was down right wrong. It was an insult to the Rutgers team and to African Americans. But in all honesty, regardless of the fact that he made a racial comment, I agree with Heather. I don't think he should have been fired. Suspension, yes, absolutely. But he DOES have the freedom to say what he wishes because of our first amendment. Him being fired just further proves that people just pick and choose when they want to use the constitutional amendments to FIT whatever situation pops up at that time. If that makes sense.

I strongly disagree with what he said, I think he's a bigot and an asshole. But look at Rosie O'Donald. She constantly pushes the limit by saying things that some people don't want to hear in America. Granted it's not racist or slanderous, but it still draws up a question as to why doesn't she get fired for the things she says. Or Howard Stern for that matter. He was/is constantly saying shocking statements on his radio show, which have landed him in major trouble, but he was never fired. Ann Colter, who constantly spouts out her garbage, is still in the lime light saying her homophobic, racial crap.

I don't know, this situation just screams double standard to me.
 
I hate that Don imus was fired. His show has been dealing out EQUAL Punishment for everyone for years, and I think that this situation was blown out of proportion by people with their own agenda. these 3 things stand out to me.

1. How does Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson get to be on some high horse for this? They both have said regrettable things yet I do not see them being fired as blowhards.

2. Have you seen the pictures of the Rutgers women's team? Most of them are very ugly and, in this case, truth should have been a defense.

3. Who decided that "nappy-headed" was a racist statement? I am Black and I know a LOT of Black people (surprise surprise). None of them were at the meeting that decided this was a racist statement. It is a description that, looking at the photos, had a basis in fact. To be nappy-headed is to have unkempt hair as a Black person in which case it will be nappy, meaning that its natural curliness will result in hair that is hard to manage and will not allow a comb to pass through. It is insulting to women and was to these women but, they are public figures as a Final Four team, they should be thicker-skinned and they should get made up better before taking public photos or appearing in public.

I think that part of this situation has to do with women in basketball and the perception that a large percentage of them are mannish and unattractive. The team and the coach and their supporters (and Imus detractors such as Sharpton and Jackson) knew that a way to strike back was to paint Imus as a racist, taking comments about Blacks over 30 years out of context in order to do so. It is a shame in my opinion, and this will only harm the landscape of radio as Imus was the most powerful political radio guy that actually had people of color on the show. good luck with these other guys picking up the slack.
 
I hate that Don imus was fired. His show has been dealing out EQUAL Punishment for everyone for years, and I think that this situation was blown out of proportion by people with their own agenda. these 3 things stand out to me.

1. How does Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson get to be on some high horse for this? They both have said regrettable things yet I do not see them being fired as blowhards.

this is true...but Don Imus is a bully with his words and has often degraded women, gays and other minorities. first amendment or not...while a person can say whatever they want..not everyone has the added PRIVILAGE of radio waves and television signals to convey their thoughts...and just like we ALL can say what we want...we ALL must be prepared for the consquences that could come with whatever we say.

and when you consider Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson..BOTH of these men have made sweeping anti semetic statements in the past (it cost Jesse Jackson his presidential run back in the 80s) so its not like EITHER of these two are above reproach.






2. Have you seen the pictures of the Rutgers women's team? Most of them are very ugly and, in this case, truth should have been a defense.

the footage i've seen of these women showed them to be attractive and reasonably feminine...and even if they arent attractive to everyone..does that give don imus the right to degrade them as he did on the radio?

3. Who decided that "nappy-headed" was a racist statement? I am Black and I know a LOT of Black people (surprise surprise). None of them were at the meeting that decided this was a racist statement. It is a description that, looking at the photos, had a basis in fact. To be nappy-headed is to have unkempt hair as a Black person in which case it will be nappy, meaning that its natural curliness will result in hair that is hard to manage and will not allow a comb to pass through. It is insulting to women and was to these women but, they are public figures as a Final Four team, they should be thicker-skinned and they should get made up better before taking public photos or appearing in public.

somethings just shouldnt be said by some people. its just like if you were to call your own mother a horrible name for WHATEVER reason...but if someone ELSE did it...you'd probably be ready to beat them down. America has a long, EMBARRASSING history of racism and the fact that many people DONT want to openly address it, results in it being repressed...and so you have these situations where the question of "what's okay to say and who can say it" comes up and needs to be discussed.

I think that part of this situation has to do with women in basketball and the perception that a large percentage of them are mannish and unattractive.

i would never have thought THAT was an issue to be considered in this case. i think it has more to do with the fact that a white man with a HISTORY of chauvanist, borderline racist, hurtfull tyraids on radio, finally went too far in the eyes/minds of some people.


The team and the coach and their supporters (and Imus detractors such as Sharpton and Jackson) knew that a way to strike back was to paint Imus as a racist, taking comments about Blacks over 30 years out of context in order to do so. It is a shame in my opinion, and this will only harm the landscape of radio as Imus was the most powerful political radio guy that actually had people of color on the show. good luck with these other guys picking up the slack.


Imus was a bully at times. he was very hurtfull, not just towards blacks but OTHER demographics of people. obviously the easiest thing to do would be to tune in to another station but i think this incident has reminded us as a whole that there's a problem here that needs to be looked at openly and HONESTLY....and i'm GLAD that the scrutiny is turning to hip hop (or what passes for that genre these days)..and artists like 50 cent etc who routinely show cliched and degrading images of black women.
 
We do have lawsuits about defomation of character, character assault, etc. which pretty much means to ME that you CAN'T say whatever you want, especially when you represent the people you WORK for.

The bottom line, if you violate the policies of a company, you get reprimanded or FIRED. Most companies have an equal opportunity act involved in the hiring of employees and have civil rights standards within their organization, policies against discrimation, sexual harassment, etc.

He violated the policy of his employers and they chose to fire him. Plain and Simple. When you work for somebody, you represent them as a whole, and when you misrepresent the image the company is working towards, you get in trouble. It is as simple as THAT!

Like if you were a Pro Black Organization or a Pro Gay Organization and your the people you cater to and work FOR are Black or Gay, and you hire somebody who is making statements publically AGAINST black people or gay people, you FIRE them.

It is really simple people. Free Speech allows you to speak your mind, but when you are representing something as a whole, you really just can't.

It is different for people like Anne Coulter or Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, they just represent themselves and make themselves look like complete assholes, but when Imus was speaking, he was being publically broadcasted on television on a network that OBVIOUSLY didn't agree with what was being said, he got fired.

I don't see what all the fuss is about.
 
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