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so I KNOW some of you are keeping up w/ what's going on w/ this debt ceiling b.s. let's talk about it! what do you think? who do you blame, what solutions do you have? etc. etc.

don't be scared or sensitive! lets talk about this! :nod:
 
I think we need to cut spending massively. I've never understood why the .gov can't work within a budget when even I can manage that. And I know it's not just this administration.
 
I think we need to cut spending massively. I've never understood why the .gov can't work within a budget when even I can manage that. And I know it's not just this administration.

cut out spending where? b/c it seems that the GOP only wants to cut spending that will heart the poorest & weakest in america but doesnt want to talk about cutting OTHER things like military spending. & do you think spending cuts alone are the answer? I dont. I think cuts are probably necessary but ALSO getting the top 2 % & corporations who have evaded paying their FAIR SHARE of taxes for decades under these tax loop holes to PAY UP! even economists from [the now romanticized] Regan cabinet have gone on record saying that "cuts alone wont work & the rich/corporations need to pay their fair share"

& yes, it can't simply be blamed on this administration b/c Bush raised the debt limit 7-8 times. Regan raised it 18 times & there was NEVER an issue like this made about it. Regan increased the debt load MASSIVELY but b/c it was on the military side, nobody seemed to notice or make a fuss.
 
But you do recognize that Obama has increased spending more than any President in history, right? And I'm not talking by just a little more. That's not opinion, that's verifiable fact. I can probably find the chart that demonstrates that. It was all over the news last week.
The wealthy do pay their fair share! A much higher percentage of thier income is taxed that us normal folks.
I think we need to cut spending across the board, even in the military. I know that's going to be painful, but the reality is that we don't have unlimited funds.
 
But you do recognize that Obama has increased spending more than any President in history, right? And I'm not talking by just a little more. That's not opinion, that's verifiable fact. I can probably find the chart that demonstrates that. It was all over the news last week.
The wealthy do pay their fair share! A much higher percentage of thier income is taxed that us normal folks.
I think we need to cut spending across the board, even in the military. I know that's going to be painful, but the reality is that we don't have unlimited funds.

that's not true

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moreover, 82% of the national debt was made/SPENT by 3 different republican administrations. Reagan's massive $749 billion supply-side tax cuts in 1981 quickly produced even more massive annual budget deficits. Combined with his rapid increase in defense spending, Reagan delivered not the balanced budgets he promised, but record-setting debt. Even his OMB alchemist David Stockman could not obscure the disaster with his famous "rosy scenarios." Inheriting a federal budget in the black and CBO forecast for a $5.6 trillion surplus over 10 years, President George W. Bush quickly set about dismantling the progress made under Bill Clinton. Bush's $1.4 trillion tax cut in 2001, followed by a $550 billion second round in 2003, accounted for the bulk of the yawning budget deficits he produced. (It is more than a little ironic that Paul Ryan ten years ago called the tax cuts "too small" because he believed the estimated surplus Bush eviscerated would be even larger.)

Pres. Regan raised the debt ceiling 17 times over two terms w/o controversy. Pres. Obama hasnt even been in office for a full term, so how is it possible that he could have raised it 17 times (@ least...in order to qualify him as the record holder for debt ceiling raiser)?
 
And as for the taxes on the rich, they have a MUCH smaller burden than they have had historically.
NOTE: Comments below graph not mine...

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That’s a line for every year from 1913 onward, sized and colored by the tax burden: the amount of tax due relative to the long-term average at each income level. Above-average burdens appear thick and red and below-average thin and blue. We adjusted everything for inflation to ensure an apples-to-apples comparison, with the caveat that the effects of Social Security, Medicare, and other taxes are not included. The underlying data comes from The Tax Foundation, IRS, and Bureau of Labor Statistics, and is the same information we used in last year’s bracket graph, updated for 2011.

Our graph shows a series of tax regimes. Overall, taxes stayed low until 1940, spiked during World War II, remained high through the Korean conflict, and eased slightly in the mid ’60s. From there, they held steady, until President Carter emancipated poverty-level wagemakers with his tax-free under-$8000 bracket, creating the blue wedge in our graph. Three years later, Reagan entered office and began turning the tables, finishing in 1988 with his retrograde 28% upper rate. The rich were now on tax vacation, at the expense of the poor and middle class.

A modified Reagan-era tax system lingers to this day. To his credit, Dubya did reduce taxes on very low earners, so they’re no longer getting hammered. But, the people at our economy’s core – the full-time workers earning between $20,000 and $150,000 a year – still pay at up to double the rate of the ultra-wealthy, relative to what history suggests they should.

About this, I’ve got mixed feelings. More than a few of my friends have hit the dot-com-Web-2.0 jackpot, and every spring, they enjoy a fresh tax windfall. And why not? They worked hard, created value, got paid, and dadgummit, isn’t that what capitalism is all about?

On the other hand, so that the American Dream doesn’t degenerate further into a have-or-have-not nightmare, perhaps some social pragmatism is in order. Via a small dose of fiscal self-sacrifice, the fat cats can maintain their grip on the reins. Or, they can stay the course – and keep on partying like it’s 1999 – until an angry mob bursts through the front door, drags them down to the town square, and lops their wealth off.
 
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